[arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

I agree with Chris, this thread has moved from informative to rant/white
noise and should be moved somewhere else.

All people involved in this thread, please kindly move it somewhere else.

Regards,

Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
Operations Manager
Phoenix Internet
2922 W CLARENDON AVE
PHOENIX, AZ 85017
Gilbert.G at phoenixinternet.net
IM: phxintgilbert
http://www.phoenixinternet.net
tel: (602)234-0917x106
fax: (602)234-0699

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From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:26 AM
To: 'Chris Gettings'; 'Paul Vixie'; arin-discuss at arin.net
Cc: 'Henry Valentino'
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

Yes Chris, it is better that you refrain from whining about bandwidth usage
(personal or otherwise) on a public forum when the obvious and simple
solution to your problem is to simply unsubscribe.  Save the rest of us from
your horrific plight


Webpage?  No need for one as we have clearly demonstrated for the past
several years.  <grin>

/19 allocation?  You need to do some more homework.

Fat Pipe?  Is that your router or did you settle on the DLink?

Whiny posts like yours deserve to be flamed.  The whiny ones like yourself
are always first to say they never “stoop” to reply when in fact they are
always the first to hit the send button.  Your problem, issue or dilemma is
simply and easily resolved without a public announcement to the rest of us. 
Handle it Chris. 

Best,




Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031





From: Chris Gettings [mailto:chris.gettings at videonext.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:14 AM
To: Brad Belton; Paul Vixie; arin-discuss at arin.net
Cc: Henry Valentino
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

No Brad, I want to listen to the legitimate dialog on the business of ARIN.
I am entitled to that. I have had my modest allocation since 1994. But the
guy who keeps complaining about the ARIN management should just sue if he
has been harmed -- instead of burying the relevant messages for the whole
group amongst his b.s. This deprives everyone of the use of the group.  

I can’t believe I even bothered to reply to the flame I almost never do and
I apologize.  I’m stooping to the level of those characters I am complaining
about.  And FYI the the high cost is to my “personal bandwidth” to look at
the damned messages, not internet bandwidth.  I have a fat pipe and plenty
of bandwidth for genuine traffic.  But this topic  is like spam and is not
producing any legitimate traffic for the list and I finally snapped.  How
long have we ARIN list users been subjected to these messages while reading
the list in hopes of relevant information?  

Brad is your page at www.belwave.com not compatible with Firefox or Safari?
None of the links for “services” or “support” or “references” or “contact
us” work.  But maybe I have to use Internet Explorer only?  
I see you have a /19 CIDR, same as me.  How much bandwidth do you have?  I
see the “Network Status” section of your page at www.belwave.com but the
source of the page is just static HTML and the green lights that show
Belwave.com “Network Status” are just permanently green icons
“/greenlight.gif” which are not really connected to any network reporting
that I can see.  

I have posted the source of your page below where you are “reporting the
status” of your North and South Fiber Routes.  (I was able to find this with
the “view source” command in my browsers when nothing I clicked on went
anywhere. I was amazed that my browser could do this, but it is cool
software.)

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="99%" id="table40">
                                                                    <tr>

                                                                        <td
width="33" align="center">
                                                                        <img
border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25" height="25"></td>
                                                                        <td
align="left">
                                                                        <p
align="center">
                                                                        <fon
t size="1">
                                                                        Nort
h 
                                                                        Fibe
r 
                                                                        Rout
e</font></td>
                                                                    </tr>
                                                                    <tr>

                                                                        <td
width="33" align="center">
                                                                        <img
border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25" height="25"></td>
                                                                        <td
align="left">
                                                                        <p
align="center">
                                                                        <fon
t size="1">
                                                                        Sout
h 
                                                                        Fibe
r 
                                                                        Rout
e</font></td>
                                                                    </tr>
                                                                    <tr>


I think the problem is that “greenlight.gif” has to actually connect to
something or it just sits there green all the time no matter what the
www.belwave.com network is connected to. It seems that people who went there
thinking they could check the status of belwave.com are led to believe the
status is just fine, all green — when actually the greenlight.gif means
nothing at all.  That seems disingenuous to me or maybe I just don’t
understand how the html stuff works.

I hate to put such a fine point on it for you Brad but those guys really
should take their dispute elsewhere and I am right to complain about it.
Thanks, and now I am sorry that everyone on the list had to listen to me
rant, too.  I feel better though, just not productive.

Best,


Christopher Gettings
Chairman
VideoNEXT
703.489.6781  (mobile)
703.657.1204  (direct)
703-378-7892  (fax)
www.videoNext.com
888.876.SAFE (24x7 Support)
chris.gettings at videonext.com
-- 




On 1/2/08 11:51 PM, "Brad Belton" <brad at belwave.com> wrote:
Chris,
 
With all due respect (if deserving) I suggest you unsubscribe if the few
emails generated by this discussion group is taxing your available
bandwidth.
 
Best,
 
 
 
Brad Belton
BelWave Communications
O:  817-737-3124 #101
F:  817-336-7031
 
 
 

From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Chris Gettings
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:20 PM
To: Paul Vixie; arin-discuss at arin.net
Cc: Henry Valentino
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

I think you folks have lost it.  You should just be suing each other.  And
if there was some grounds (and you were real, mature business people) your
lawyers you would never let you communicate this way anyway.  Your incessant
messages are not directed to the purported purpose of this list.  Get
another one instead.  I subscribed because I simply wanted to understand and
monitor what was going on with my ARIN allocation and IP addresses.

Ah! Perhaps you are trying to drive the rest of us away as part of the
conspiracy...and what is that “answer under separate cover” nonsense?
 That’s a smoking gun for sure....

Clearly, you are ridiculous nimrods for wasting so much of everyone’s
bandwidth with your drivel.  You should be censored by the moderators.

Chris Gettings

On 1/2/08 10:58 PM, "Paul Vixie" <paul at vix.com> wrote:
> > furthermore, if the employment of former MAPS employees after leaving
> > MAPS ought to reflect on the founders of MAPS somehow, then shouldn't
> > you also do an exhaustive search to find out where every one of them
> > wound up?  (and also for every other company founded by any ARIN board
> > member?)  (or any company where an ARIN board member was an executive?)
>
> As the managing director of MAPS, you were responsible for training and
> indoctrinating these people.

there were no indoctrinations.  my biggest responsibility was setting policy
and my second biggest was making payroll happen.  while i hold
responsibility
for everything done by a MAPS employee, i don't have any control (nor would
i
want it) of what folks do after they leave my employ.  perhaps MAPS was not
the kind of company you thought it was, or perhaps the world is not the kind
of place you thought it was.

> It wasn't just one bad apple; It was two.

for all i know, scott richter hired peter and kelly with the challenge of
"please help me run a more responsible organization".  i have no knowledge,
but it sounds like you don't either, so maybe you should ask peter and
kelly?

> Did you profit from Whitehat.com?

i'll answer that under separate cover.

> > i find the quality of the investigations so far deplorably low.
>
> So far, I must agree. It is quite difficult to investigate while
stonewalled
> by Management and the Board.  The investigations would be greatly helped
if
> ARIN would respond to the questions that have been asked.  Most of the
> information so far has been gleaned from outside of ARIN.

while i don't mind answering questions sent to arin-discuss@ if it'll help
the membership determine the character of their trustees, i think that if
you
want an answer from "the board" or "management" you should direct your
inquiries to them by certified letter, perhaps even working through your
attorney who might decide to work through ARIN's attorney.
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