[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?

On 10/10/2007 19:53, Keith W. Hare wrote:>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ron Cleven
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:23 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> 
>> In any case, I give up.  There appear to be some people in 
>> this discussion that are shilling for legacy interests and 
>> large entrenched ISP's.  I suspect they have all the cards 
>> and all the power (and almost all the IP's).  As it it 
>> currently operating, ARIN is complicit in this atrocious 
>> anti-competitive behavior.
> 
> I'm not sure who you think is shilling for legacy interests and large
> entrenched ISP's.
> 
> My viewpoint is that as an IPv4 legacy address holder, ARIN has never
> asked me to pay fees and so I haven't paid any fees for my IPv4
> addresses.  When ARIN comes up with a reasonable RSA and reasonable fees
> for IPv4 legacy address holders, I don't expect to have an issue with
> signing and paying. For the record, I only have a /24, am not an ISP,
> and don't represent any ISP. I suspect that my viewpoint is similar to
> that of some number of other small IPv4 legacy address holders, but
> don't know that for sure.

I feel I need to jump in here. Like Keith, my company has had a legacy
class C since mid-1990. I've been doing this a long time -- my NIC
Handle is my 3 initials as are my various ARIN handles (+-ARIN, of
course). My company's domain name is within the first 100 domain names
issued that are still in use. (I realize that none of that makes any
difference but it seems the easiest way to demonstrate that I really
have been doing this for a bit).

My last update using an ARIN template was around the end of 2003 to
change an address or phone number -- cant remember which.

Since at least 2000, I've tried to figure out whether we needed to
make any changes in our relationship with ARIN, including sending
several emails to hostmaster. I never received a response. None.

Since there seemed to be no official way to change that relationship,
and feeling we ought to be doing _something_, we joined ARIN by paying
the $500 annual fee. If the community decides we ought to be paying an
additional $100 or so to keep our Class C, that's OK -- it's really in
the noise. If the community decides we need to sign an RSA, that's OK,
too, as long as it lets us keep that Class C without any utilization
restrictions.  (Note: I am explicitly only talking about IPV4. I doubt
I will live long enough to really need to worry about IPV6, but if I
do, I will be happy to justify any needs and pay for them just like
anyone who never had an IPV4 allocation of any kind).

I expect that there are other legacy holders with similar views, but
in talking with some, most are not willing to subject themselves to
the usenet-style attacks that seem to be common on this mailing list
and on PPML.

> [snip]

Steve.
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