[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statementonLegacyassignments?(fwd)

Exactly.

I personally know of companies that would surrender thousands of class C address space, if they paid what I paid for IP space.

IP pricing is not fair and everyone knows it's not fair, but change takes courage and I don't think ARIN management has that needed
courage. 

Thomas Leonard
LANline Communications, Inc.
48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32
White Plains, NY 10601
914-397-0500 
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To: Bill Woodcock
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statementonLegacyassignments?(fwd)

You have to consider that sometimes large operators have very large blocs
since a while and they have not done any requests for a while.

For example when you have 12 B Classes for 500k customers you have a lot of
IP addresses to waste...
Considering that you having no to very low fee you have a financial and
competitive advantage.

A competitor will not be able to justify 2 IPs adresses per customer and
will have to pay for larger allocations if he succeed to justify his
request.

So if everyone pay the same price,  it will be fair for eveyone and it will
discourage wasting of ip addresses.



David Picard
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david.picard at sogetel.com
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[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]De la part de Bill Woodcock
Envoye : 5 octobre 2007 11:44
A : David Picard
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Objet : Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement
onLegacyassignments?(fwd)


      On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, David Picard wrote:
    > Same thing for me...
    > Large cables operators in Quebec have a lot of Class B and they offer
as may
    > ip as customers wants...
    > I cannot do this...

I suspect this is a misimpression, if an understandable one...  If the
cable operators are large, they certainly have more customers than would
be accommodated by a couple of actual legacy Class B networks.  That means
that they're coming back to ARIN periodically to get more space.  If
they're coming back for more space, they have to justify their current
sub-allocations just as you do, and so they're operating under exactly the
rules you do.  How many addresses a customer _wants_ is irrelevant. Both
you and the cable operator have the same capacity to give them as many as
they _need_.

                                -Bill

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