[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)

On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:59:24AM -0400, Michael Lambert wrote:
> On 5 Oct 2007, at 09:56, Thomas Leonard wrote:
> 
> > We should all be treated the same.
> 
> We are, with respect to IPv6.  So let's not put too much effort into
> solving the pricing problem of legacy assignments in legacy address
> space.

That just doesn't make any sense.

Let's just give the bird to legacy IPv4 and make everyone jump on the
bandwagon that is IPv6, that will solve the problem.  ??  I don't see
how your statement helps at all.

Of course, until the same problem occurs again because of the lack of
foresight and planning, then we can make a new bandwagon called IPv8
and make new hoops to jump through.

If IPv6 were implemented backbone wide tomorrow, we'd have years of
IPv4 to deal with, years of cleanup, years of people whining and
worrying about their IPv4 allocations.  Tunnels TUNNELs everywhere!
And how do we really address the systems and devices that can not, and
never will, deal with an IPv6 world?  Junk them all?  The .5 kabillion
Qwest DSL customers and their almost-shitty DSL modems will go up in
smoke, and asking someone, like Qwest, to put in a full IPv6 <-> IPv4
system to handle that many users is just silly.

IPv6 is not the savior, yet.

And no, I am not going to bitch about legacy IPv4 assignments and a
free ride, it comes down to 'too bad so sad'.

What do I care about?

The non-auditing of IPv4 space and the recollection of unused address
space (or over allocated space) back to the pool for others to use.

I am going to use MIT as my example, with no offense intended to MIT,
but does MIT *need* a /8 and other assignments?

Notice I said the word 'need'.

If auditing were to occur, there could eventually be a nice increase
in the amount of available IPv4 space for assignment, allowing for
more allocations, and the cleanup of legacy/free ride blocks into
revenue generating income for the non-profit that is ARIN.  This would
give what is needed to lower the cost *per block* to the companies and
organizations that pay today, and pave the way for more tools and
systems for IPv6.

Sorry to those that are MIT people, just picking an example of a ton
of address space where the majority of it *could* be unused.  If you
want to flame me using MIT as an example, please do it in private
email and not to the list.

As far as migration to IPv6 goes, I am almost looking forward to it
and thankfully, most of my devices are going to be ready/usuable in an
IPv6 world.

I can not say the same thing for my customers, and I am not looking
forward to the massively complex configurations I am going to have to
deal with to support another set of legacy issues.

-- 
Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau at Geeks.ORG