From jcurran at arin.net  Mon May  1 11:23:20 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:23:20 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on CKN23-ARIN Now Open
In-Reply-To: <252c334d-30db-b42c-bb7e-b24dc42a6560@solidnetwork.org>
References: <e750822a-cb32-d094-2a57-d01fded80fa2@arin.net>
 <252c334d-30db-b42c-bb7e-b24dc42a6560@solidnetwork.org>
Message-ID: <14A56F7D-5712-4A4F-B4A1-7B50AEFE795B@arin.net>

On 25 Apr 2017, at 12:57 PM, Adam Brenner <adam at solidnetwork.org> wrote:
> ...
> Out of curiosity how large of an impact is this to the ARIN community? You mentioned thousands of instances in the opening thread and many are legacy resources. I know you can not go into too much specificity, but is this 50% of all ARIN IP resources? 10%?
> 
> This would better gauge the importance of the impact which did not come out clear in the original email.


Adam - 

?   Total registered Org IDs in the ARIN Registry =  769,186
?   Total Org IDs with CKN23 as their Point-of-Contact = 19,240

i.e. 2.5% of all Org IDs would be affected by the proposed change.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


From info at arin.net  Thu May 11 13:18:18 2017
From: info at arin.net (ARIN)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 13:18:18 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the
 ARIN Board of Trustees
Message-ID: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>

After receiving community feedback during the ARIN 38 meeting in Jamaica
regarding the need for more background diversity on the ARIN Board of
Trustees, the ARIN Bylaws were changed to allow for the appointment of
an eighth voting Board member for a 1-year term, and this option was
used after the 2016 ARIN Election.

At their meeting on 8 May 2017, the ARIN Board discussed and agreed to
propose for community consultation an additional change to expand the
number of elected Board members from six to nine, as this will increase
opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members. While
this change would require an update to the Bylaws, the update would not
affect the member-protected portion of the Bylaws.   However, the ARIN
Board of Trustees determined it would be best to consult with the
community for their input prior to the adoption of this proposed change
of expanding the Board.
Board proposal:

ARIN will add three more elected voting seats to the Board of Trustees,
raising the current six (elected two per year) to nine (elected three
per year).

* There would be no change to the appointed voting seat (it would remain
available for appointment as deemed desirable by the Board)
* There would be no change to the non-elected voting seat (held by the
President/CEO)
   * New Board seats are to be added to the Board in a phased manner ?
one per year in the 2017 thru 2019 elections

          *  October 2017: 3 Board members will be elected for 2018;
          8 Trustee board (9 if appointed seat is used)
          *  October 2018: 3 Board members will be elected for 2019;
          Trustee board (10 if appointed seat is used)
          *  October 2019: 3 Board members will be elected for 2020;
          10 Trustee board (11 if appointed seat is used)

We are seeking community feedback on this proposed change to the size of
the ARIN Board of Trustees. This consultation will remain open for at
least 30 days. Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.

Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 12 June 2017.

If you have any questions, please contact us at info at arin.net.

Regards,

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



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From daveid at panix.com  Thu May 11 14:20:19 2017
From: daveid at panix.com (David R Huberman)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>

Hello,

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees decision 
to increase the size of the elected Board membership.

I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN 
Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman 
or non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women 
have served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).

It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation 
without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct 
solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits, 
evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and 
why is this better than other solutions?

Thank you,
David



From joe at rootleveltech.com  Thu May 11 14:57:55 2017
From: joe at rootleveltech.com (Joe Oliveri)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 13:57:55 -0500
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
 <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAFAg+a_v5krqnXAmROyLLtOAdKKaBwq1dyAWFAKgQAqXr3KK5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I support expanding the Board to 9.

I fundamentally agree with the need for Diversity, but let's not just focus
on a gender/color (important) issue here. I also value the need to have a
representation on the views/issues experienced by different regions within
ARIN (i.e. Bahamas).

Thank You,

Joe

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:20 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees decision
> to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
>
> I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN
> Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or
> non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have
> served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
>
> It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation
> without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct
> solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits,
> evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why
> is this better than other solutions?
>
> Thank you,
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN
> Consult Mailing
> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net).
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>



-- 
Thank You,

Joe

Joseph M. Olivieri, M.S. | Director, Business Development
*Root Level Technology, LLC*
Direct Line: 281.547.7722 <//281-547-7722> | Skype: Joseph.M.Olivieri
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From bjones at vt.edu  Thu May 11 15:08:08 2017
From: bjones at vt.edu (Brian Jones)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:08:08 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <CAFAg+a_v5krqnXAmROyLLtOAdKKaBwq1dyAWFAKgQAqXr3KK5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
 <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
 <CAFAg+a_v5krqnXAmROyLLtOAdKKaBwq1dyAWFAKgQAqXr3KK5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyqO+FpMaCX2y3eCXOXppkP0eE-dFmi-ycbi9Ka3HeK2UoHXg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 Joe's comments.

I support expansion of the Board.

--
Brian E Jones
NIS Virginia Tech

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:58 PM Joe Oliveri <joe at rootleveltech.com> wrote:

> I support expanding the Board to 9.
>
> I fundamentally agree with the need for Diversity, but let's not just
> focus on a gender/color (important) issue here. I also value the need to
> have a representation on the views/issues experienced by different regions
> within ARIN (i.e. Bahamas).
>
> Thank You,
>
> Joe
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:20 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees
>> decision to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
>>
>> I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN
>> Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or
>> non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have
>> served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
>>
>> It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation
>> without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct
>> solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits,
>> evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why
>> is this better than other solutions?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> David
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ARIN-Consult
>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN
>> Consult Mailing
>> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net).
>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the
>> ARIN Member Services
>> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thank You,
>
> Joe
>
> Joseph M. Olivieri, M.S. | Director, Business Development
> *Root Level Technology, LLC*
> Direct Line: 281.547.7722 <//281-547-7722> | Skype: Joseph.M.Olivieri
> Cell: 832.878.2112 <//877-512-4678>
>
> *Custom Cloud Neutral High Availability Networks*
> Houston - Los Angeles - Orlando - Germany - France - UK
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From bill at herrin.us  Thu May 11 15:51:00 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:51:00 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
Message-ID: <CAP-guGUfK61zLp2QuaFTtB-t7rA9E76F6rYVFREFHfHdbd82wg@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I oppose increasing the size of the board.

Firstly, the larger the board, the less control each member has over ARIN's
direction. The bigger the committee the worse in functions. As a practical
matter, this will result in an increased concentration of power in the
hands of ARIN's President and CEO whose day to day decisions are more
strongly represented in ARIN's activity than most actions of the full
board. Even if John could flourish with more power, there's no guarantee
the next individual in his position will have as good a grasp of or care as
deeply about the technicalities surrounding number policy.

Secondly, the board is selected by the voting membership. It's diversity
(or lack) correctly reflects both the candidates who ran for election and
the selections of the members. There is no reason to believe that
increasing the number of board members would in any way change the board's
social diversity. Unless the selection process was weighted to favor social
diversity over voter preference.

Thirdly, social diversity is not ARIN's mission. Internet number management
is a weird and narrow technical specialty with few really smart individuals
of any nationality, race, creed or gender. Getting those few individuals to
serve is vastly more important than serving the politics of social justice.

Finally, diversity of background and opinion is supposed to be introduced
to ARIN's behavior via the public policy development process. If ARIN is
failing to reflect diversity of backgrounds then the error surely lies in
the ways in which the past decade's change in the policy development
processes has concentrated activity in the board and advisory council,
minimizing the role of the public at large. If the diversity of background
problem has become large enough to be recognized as a problem, please fix
it where the problem was created.

For these reasons I OPPOSE increasing the size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:18 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> After receiving community feedback during the ARIN 38 meeting in Jamaica
> regarding the need for more background diversity on the ARIN Board of
> Trustees, the ARIN Bylaws were changed to allow for the appointment of
> an eighth voting Board member for a 1-year term, and this option was
> used after the 2016 ARIN Election.
>
> At their meeting on 8 May 2017, the ARIN Board discussed and agreed to
> propose for community consultation an additional change to expand the
> number of elected Board members from six to nine, as this will increase
> opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members. While
> this change would require an update to the Bylaws, the update would not
> affect the member-protected portion of the Bylaws.   However, the ARIN
> Board of Trustees determined it would be best to consult with the
> community for their input prior to the adoption of this proposed change
> of expanding the Board.
> Board proposal:
>
> ARIN will add three more elected voting seats to the Board of Trustees,
> raising the current six (elected two per year) to nine (elected three
> per year).
>
> * There would be no change to the appointed voting seat (it would remain
> available for appointment as deemed desirable by the Board)
> * There would be no change to the non-elected voting seat (held by the
> President/CEO)
>   * New Board seats are to be added to the Board in a phased manner ?
> one per year in the 2017 thru 2019 elections
>
>          *  October 2017: 3 Board members will be elected for 2018;
>          8 Trustee board (9 if appointed seat is used)
>          *  October 2018: 3 Board members will be elected for 2019;
>          Trustee board (10 if appointed seat is used)
>          *  October 2019: 3 Board members will be elected for 2020;
>          10 Trustee board (11 if appointed seat is used)
>
> We are seeking community feedback on this proposed change to the size of
> the ARIN Board of Trustees. This consultation will remain open for at
> least 30 days. Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 12 June 2017.
>
> If you have any questions, please contact us at info at arin.net.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
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-- 
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From scottleibrand at gmail.com  Thu May 11 15:53:37 2017
From: scottleibrand at gmail.com (Scott Leibrand)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 12:53:37 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
 <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <CD33FF73-E992-4211-84C5-837750C037D7@gmail.com>

+1 to David's comments and question. 

Also, is this likely to result in a noticeable increase to ARIN's travel budget? Or will the existing amount of travel likely be spread across the larger board? 

Scott

> On May 11, 2017, at 11:20 AM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees decision to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
> 
> I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
> 
> It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits, evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why is this better than other solutions?
> 
> Thank you,
> David
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing
> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net).
> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services
> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues.


From bartlett.morgan at gmail.com  Thu May 11 16:49:36 2017
From: bartlett.morgan at gmail.com (Bartlett Morgan)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:49:36 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <CD33FF73-E992-4211-84C5-837750C037D7@gmail.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
 <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111419500.17418@panix2.panix.com>
 <CD33FF73-E992-4211-84C5-837750C037D7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJqt3A3X2DMoY5ozxeh0YVvtkdZVQXC_BhTsd8rpxQVTD2nkzg@mail.gmail.com>

As no more than an observer I would love to see ARIN implement concrete
measures to increase diversity. I am, however, not sure increasing the
number of board positions, by itself, would help to realise that end. It
seems that hardwiring the Bylaws to guarantee some element of diversity on
the board by specifically defined diversity criteria may be a better
solution.

Which raises another question: what kind of diversity in background is ARIN
trying to achieve? Is it gender, regional or economic diversity?


-
Bart

On May 11, 2017 3:53 PM, "Scott Leibrand" <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to David's comments and question.
>
> Also, is this likely to result in a noticeable increase to ARIN's travel
> budget? Or will the existing amount of travel likely be spread across the
> larger board?
>
> Scott
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 11:20 AM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees
> decision to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
> >
> > I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN
> Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or
> non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have
> served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
> >
> > It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation
> without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct
> solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits,
> evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why
> is this better than other solutions?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > David
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ARIN-Consult
> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN
> Consult Mailing
> > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net).
> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the
> ARIN Member Services
> > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
> _______________________________________________
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From adam at solidnetwork.org  Thu May 11 17:27:23 2017
From: adam at solidnetwork.org (Adam Brenner)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:27:23 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGUfK61zLp2QuaFTtB-t7rA9E76F6rYVFREFHfHdbd82wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
 <CAP-guGUfK61zLp2QuaFTtB-t7rA9E76F6rYVFREFHfHdbd82wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dac2afa3-03fb-ea13-43e1-30ac990a5e17@solidnetwork.org>

Like Bill, I also OPPOSE increasing the size of the board.

His response does an excellent job explaining why this is a bad. One of 
the most important is that this does NOT guarantee nor ensure more 
diversity... which is the whole point of this community consultation.

What ever your feelings are on this consultation: the current approach 
is not the correct way to achieve this.

-Adam

On 05/11/2017 12:51 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I oppose increasing the size of the board.
> 
> Firstly, the larger the board, the less control each member has over 
> ARIN's direction. The bigger the committee the worse in functions. As a 
> practical matter, this will result in an increased concentration of 
> power in the hands of ARIN's President and CEO whose day to day 
> decisions are more strongly represented in ARIN's activity than most 
> actions of the full board. Even if John could flourish with more power, 
> there's no guarantee the next individual in his position will have as 
> good a grasp of or care as deeply about the technicalities surrounding 
> number policy.
> 
> Secondly, the board is selected by the voting membership. It's diversity 
> (or lack) correctly reflects both the candidates who ran for election 
> and the selections of the members. There is no reason to believe that 
> increasing the number of board members would in any way change the 
> board's social diversity. Unless the selection process was weighted to 
> favor social diversity over voter preference.
> 
> Thirdly, social diversity is not ARIN's mission. Internet number 
> management is a weird and narrow technical specialty with few really 
> smart individuals of any nationality, race, creed or gender. Getting 
> those few individuals to serve is vastly more important than serving the 
> politics of social justice.
> 
> Finally, diversity of background and opinion is supposed to be 
> introduced to ARIN's behavior via the public policy development process. 
> If ARIN is failing to reflect diversity of backgrounds then the error 
> surely lies in the ways in which the past decade's change in the policy 
> development processes has concentrated activity in the board and 
> advisory council, minimizing the role of the public at large. If the 
> diversity of background problem has become large enough to be recognized 
> as a problem, please fix it where the problem was created.
> 
> For these reasons I OPPOSE increasing the size of the ARIN Board of 
> Trustees.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:18 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net 
> <mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
> 
>     After receiving community feedback during the ARIN 38 meeting in Jamaica
>     regarding the need for more background diversity on the ARIN Board of
>     Trustees, the ARIN Bylaws were changed to allow for the appointment of
>     an eighth voting Board member for a 1-year term, and this option was
>     used after the 2016 ARIN Election.
> 
>     At their meeting on 8 May 2017, the ARIN Board discussed and agreed to
>     propose for community consultation an additional change to expand the
>     number of elected Board members from six to nine, as this will increase
>     opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members. While
>     this change would require an update to the Bylaws, the update would not
>     affect the member-protected portion of the Bylaws.   However, the ARIN
>     Board of Trustees determined it would be best to consult with the
>     community for their input prior to the adoption of this proposed change
>     of expanding the Board.
>     Board proposal:
> 
>     ARIN will add three more elected voting seats to the Board of Trustees,
>     raising the current six (elected two per year) to nine (elected three
>     per year).
> 
>     * There would be no change to the appointed voting seat (it would remain
>     available for appointment as deemed desirable by the Board)
>     * There would be no change to the non-elected voting seat (held by the
>     President/CEO)
>        * New Board seats are to be added to the Board in a phased manner ?
>     one per year in the 2017 thru 2019 elections
> 
>               *  October 2017: 3 Board members will be elected for 2018;
>               8 Trustee board (9 if appointed seat is used)
>               *  October 2018: 3 Board members will be elected for 2019;
>               Trustee board (10 if appointed seat is used)
>               *  October 2019: 3 Board members will be elected for 2020;
>               10 Trustee board (11 if appointed seat is used)
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From paul at egate.net  Thu May 11 17:29:58 2017
From: paul at egate.net (Paul Andersen)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:29:58 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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Hi David,

The Board is looking at multiple tools and this is just one of the many we are contemplating using as I don?t believe there is a single action that will resolve this issue. We have bene taking a staged approach to improving getting a diverse range of views around the Board table. 

Right now we have considered and made use of greater outreach to increase awareness in the broader community of the need to get a wider candidate base. We have also expanded the conditions on which we can use our appointed seat and just recently used it for the first time in recent memory. 

Expanding the Board size is the next step in that process and likely not the last. We continue to evaluate this topic and the success of the measures we have implemented. Providing more data to the NomCom is certainly an area we are considering for improvement. 

Also my view of diversity is in all areas that give the Board the benefit of a range of views on issues before it.  The Board benefits from more independent voices in different industries, different skills and from different geographic regions.

Hope that helps and thanks for the feedback and answers your question. Does this give you enough data to decide if you are supportive or not?

Cheers,

	Paul 

---
Paul Andersen, P. Eng
Chair, Board of Trustees
ARIN


> On May 11, 2017, at 2:20 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees decision to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
> 
> I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
> 
> It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits, evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why is this better than other solutions?
> 
> Thank you,
> David
> 
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From Marla.Azinger at FTR.com  Thu May 11 17:37:56 2017
From: Marla.Azinger at FTR.com (Azinger, Marla)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 21:37:56 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
 Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
Message-ID: <CY1PR06MB21213E632BD1C4252D83701DE4ED0@CY1PR06MB2121.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hello

Maybe the email sent out is missing details.  Which leads me to ask, how exactly does increasing the number lead to an increase in opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members?

Ratios of ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in this industry is pretty stagnant.  If you are looking to add diversity in any of those areas, I would think that means you must create a rule that governs those extra seats to have specific requirments.  Otherwise the word "opportunity" really can just turn into more seats of the same thing.

In summary, are their qualifiers to fill those new seats?  Otherwise this is just an exercise of futility.

Regards
Marla Azinger
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From daveid at panix.com  Thu May 11 18:27:25 2017
From: daveid at panix.com (David R Huberman)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:27:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
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Thank you for the reply Paul. Responses in-line.

> The Board is looking at multiple tools and this is just one of the many 
> we are contemplating using as I don?t believe there is a single action 
> that will resolve this issue. We have bene taking a staged approach to 
> improving getting a diverse range of views around the Board table.

That's fair. I like seeing that this is just one of many steps being taken 
or considered to improve the Board, and by extension, ARIN.

[snip]

> Expanding the Board size is the next step in that process and likely not 
> the last. We continue to evaluate this topic and the success of the 
> measures we have implemented. Providing more data to the NomCom is 
> certainly an area we are considering for improvement.

I think this is key.  Instructing the NomCom in clear and measurable terms 
about what the Board desires to add to its membership would be a very big 
step in achieving such a goal.

> Also my view of diversity is in all areas that give the Board the 
> benefit of a range of views on issues before it.  The Board benefits 
> from more independent voices in different industries, different skills 
> and from different geographic regions.

Yes, and a very important point.  In my post, I only mentioned women and 
non-whites.  But we should also be diversifying view points with respect 
to geography, large network operators vs. smaller network operators, 
entrepreneurial experience, risk management experience, finance 
experience, legal experience, etc.  There are many unrepresented skill 
sets and experience sets that could be added to the Board with an increase 
in the number of Board seats combined with clear direction being provided 
to the NomCom.

> Hope that helps and thanks for the feedback and answers your question. 
> Does this give you enough data to decide if you are supportive or not?

Yes, I think so. I support the expansion of the Board to 9 members, in a 
phased approach beginning this election cycle.

Thank you,
David

From cja at daydream.com  Thu May 11 18:29:40 2017
From: cja at daydream.com (Cj Aronson)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:29:40 -0600
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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I believe that in an environment where the incumbents are always on the
slate of candidates and they always get re-elected that increasing the
board size is an important step in getting new folks and diversity on the
board.  Diversity in the nomcom is also important.  The number of
candidates allowed to be chosen by the nomcom is important.  The directions
to the nomcom about diversity is another great step.   I do not believe we
have ever had a person from the Caribbean on the nomcom either.  Maybe
seeking out a more diverse nomcom would help get board candidates from that
region?

I do believe this is a good first step.  Lots more needs to be done,
however.

Thanks!
----Cathy


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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:20 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Board of Trustees decision
> to increase the size of the elected Board membership.
>
> I am strongly in favor of diversity as a goal for the makeup of the ARIN
> Board of Trustees.  ARIN is turning 20 this year, and not a single woman or
> non-white person has ever been elected to the Board (though two women have
> served: Kim Hubbard as CEO and Merike Kaeo as a current appointee).
>
> It is difficult, however, to offer support for the current consultation
> without knowing why the Board collectively feels this is the correct
> solution to the problem. There are many options on the table (term limits,
> evaluations, etc.), and the Board chose this one. Why did it do so, and why
> is this better than other solutions?
>
> Thank you,
> David
>
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From jcurran at arin.net  Thu May 11 18:52:22 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 22:52:22 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
 Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 11 May 2017, at 5:37 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>> wrote:

Hello

Maybe the email sent out is missing details.  Which leads me to ask, how exactly does increasing the number lead to an increase in opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members?

Ratios of ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in this industry is pretty stagnant.  If you are looking to add diversity in any of those areas, I would think that means you must create a rule that governs those extra seats to have specific requirments.  Otherwise the word ?opportunity? really can just turn into more seats of the same thing.

In summary, are their qualifiers to fill those new seats?  Otherwise this is just an exercise of futility.

Marla -

   As a point of information, over the last several years, the Board of Trustees has included
   guidance to Nomination Committee in its charter that encourages diversity of background
   among the candidates put onto the election slates.

   The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern the backgrounds
   of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the candidates with the
   backgrounds it deems most appropriate.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN




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From Marla.Azinger at FTR.com  Thu May 11 19:38:05 2017
From: Marla.Azinger at FTR.com (Azinger, Marla)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:38:05 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
 Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
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Hi John

Given your response,  increasing the number of seats on the BOT will not resolve the lack of diversity issue as the quantity would have zero effect as explained below.

ARIN would have to implement requirements for those 3 new positions, or make requirements for 2 of the existing ones and not increase how many members there are.

I do not support increasing the number of BOT members unless more people to carry the work load is required.  However that is an entirely different problem should it exist.

Summary: Increase of quantity will not resolve the perceived problem put forward.  Addition of required qualifications to some of the positions is the only way to resolve the perceived problem.

Thank you
Marla

From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:52 PM
To: Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>
Cc: arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

On 11 May 2017, at 5:37 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>> wrote:

Hello

Maybe the email sent out is missing details.  Which leads me to ask, how exactly does increasing the number lead to an increase in opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members?

Ratios of ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in this industry is pretty stagnant.  If you are looking to add diversity in any of those areas, I would think that means you must create a rule that governs those extra seats to have specific requirments.  Otherwise the word ?opportunity? really can just turn into more seats of the same thing.

In summary, are their qualifiers to fill those new seats?  Otherwise this is just an exercise of futility.

Marla -

   As a point of information, over the last several years, the Board of Trustees has included
   guidance to Nomination Committee in its charter that encourages diversity of background
   among the candidates put onto the election slates.

   The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern the backgrounds
   of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the candidates with the
   backgrounds it deems most appropriate.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN





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From woody at pch.net  Thu May 11 21:47:34 2017
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:47:34 +0800
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
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> On May 12, 2017, at 6:52 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>    The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern the backgrounds
>    of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the candidates with the 
>    backgrounds it deems most appropriate.

But, at last fall?s meeting, the membership made it very clear in the closing session that the board was to do what it could to address the issue directly, which is why the board subsequently utilized its preexisting authority to appoint one additional seat.

The problem is that, unlike many non-profits and associations, ARIN?s board doesn?t select ARIN?s board.  ARIN?s membership elect the board directly.  So the membership asking the board to solve the problem of board composition isn?t a solution?  As Marla points out, having more seats doesn?t solve the problem.  Having more candidates makes the problem worse, rather than better, since it decreases the chances of any non-incumbent unseating an incumbent.  The fellowship program has been a great thing, and it?s putting more, and more diverse, faces in front of the electorate.  Likewise the ARIN-on-the-road program has been great, because it?s getting ARIN in front of people who wouldn?t otherwise get to a meeting.  

But ultimately the membership has to nominate and vote for more diverse candidates, if you want a more diverse board.

                                -Bill







From woody at pch.net  Fri May 12 00:04:52 2017
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:04:52 +0800
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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Acknowledging up front that I?m yet another middle-aged white dude from the U.S., I?m going to talk about some things that sometimes make people uncomfortable.  Because it?s my job as a Trustee, and because the issues are important and have been unresolved for too long. I?d very much like to see serious discussion and some consensus on a reasonable way forward, that we can actually try to make happen.  So, if you think I?m wrong about things that I?m saying here, please educate me.  I won?t be offended, and I?ll be happy to see the conversation proceeding.

> On May 12, 2017, at 4:49 AM, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan at gmail.com> wrote:
> What kind of diversity in background is ARIN trying to achieve? Is it gender, regional or economic diversity?

I think the two kinds that have seemed the most achievable are gender and regional.

In my observation, people are much less resistant to the notion of ?regional representation? (meaning that the seats on the board would be divided into a certain number elected by Canadian organizations, a certain number elected by organizations from the U.S., and a certain number elected by organizations from the Caribbean) than to, for instance, gender or ethnic representation quotas.  I think it?s less controversial for a number of reasons?  Canadians are not a minority in Canada, for instance, and it leaves Canadians free to do what they want with ?their? seat(s), and it doesn?t leave the impression that someone of lesser merit has been selected solely on the basis of, for instance, Canadian citizenship.  So it substitutes ?representation? for ?tokenism? in a way that?s a lot more palatable.  For this to work, it really needs to be about segregating the _electorate_, rather than labeling the _candidate_.  i.e. all Canadian organizations vote for whoever they like to fill the seat(s) that they elect, rather than all (including US and Caribbean) organizations voting for someone who identifies as Canadian.  Once you get in to the labeling of candidates as appropriate to fill specific quotas, the tokenism ick-factor comes back into play.

So, that can work, without offending anyone too badly, to achieve regional representation, which is probably close enough to regional diversity for the difference not to matter.  It?s notable that this is one of the things that AfriNIC has gotten really right, over the years, and it?s really helped keep the politics there balanced, and keep recriminations to a minimum.

On the other hand, if we tried to apply the same approach to gender representation, I think most people would think it was weird and creepy.  Besides which, in ARIN, organizations vote, not individuals.  And organizations don?t have gender.  So it?s not really an option anyway.

Which brings us back to tokenism, the gender-labeling of candidates, and quotas.  

One of the things that seems to make people most uncomfortable is tokenism.  Quoting from the Wikipedia article on the topic:

Tokenism is the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of racial or sexual equality within a workforce. The effort of including a token employee to a workforce is usually intended to create the impression of social inclusiveness and diversity (racial, religious, sexual, etc.) in order to deflect accusations of social discrimination.

Harvard Business School professor Rosabeth Moss Kanter asserts that the token employee is usually part of a socially-skewed group of employees who belong to a minority group that composes less than 15 percent of the total employee population of the workplace. By definition, token employees in a workplace are few; hence, their heightened visibility among the staff subjects them to greater pressures to perform their work to higher production standards of quality and volume and to behave in an expected, stereotypical way. Given the smallness of the group of token employees in a workplace, the individual identity of each token person is usually disrespected by the dominant group, who apply a stereotype role to them as a means of social control in the workplace.

On the one hand, we have the position that?s described in the Wikipedia article on tokenism, which is indeed my knee-jerk reaction to the issue?  That quotas demean the people who are selected to fill them, by implying that they are not individuals in their own right, but instead merely exemplars of a minority (or in the case of women, majority) group which they were coincidentally born into, and that they were unable to achieve the seat on their own merits.  And, indeed, I?ve certainly seen plenty of really unfortunate examples of people being treated that way.  But this is a problem statement, not a way forward.  Saying that it?s an uncomfortable position doesn?t propose a solution. 

So, on the other hand, there are places where gender quotas have been very effective:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directors#Encouraging_gender_diversity_on_corporate_boards

https://oecdecoscope.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/gender-quotas-for-corporate-boards-do-they-work-lessons-from-norway/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nordic-investment-fund-idUSBRE98T0LM20130930

http://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2016/10/secret-behind-norways-gender-quota-success

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/europe/german-law-requires-more-women-on-corporate-boards.html

?and a long-term consequence of quotas, is typically that they succeed, and become unnecessary, spreading equality of representation to other venues, as a matter of cultural habituation and expectations:

http://fortune.com/2016/10/31/iceland-us-women-in-parliament-congress/

And the real kicker is that the tokenism objection is only advanced in places that haven?t actually tried using quotas:

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-board-directors-really-think-of-gender-quotas

Our research also revealed a contrast between Danes? and Americans? expected impact of quotas and the actual impact of quotas as reported by the board members we spoke with from countries where quotas are already in place. We found that the imposition of quotas and goals has resulted not just in greater gender diversity, but to a more professional and formal approach to board selection.

As one former male CEO and director in Norway remarked, ?In my opinion, what happened in Norway when affirmative action was introduced was that the entire recruitment process of boards was sharpened. The requirements were clarified, the election committee?s responsibility was acknowledged. And the focus on the composition of the boards in general was improved. With that law, the importance of the board was upgraded, and the composition of the board. That is positive. And it might also be because you don?t have to go far back before you see that the recruitment to boards and board members was heavily influenced by a sort of networking mentality, and the close network that you belonged to yourself.?

In contrast, the U.S. board selection process still relies heavily on social networks. As a U.S. female director described it, the lack of board diversity in that country is part of a general lack of rigor in succession planning: ?A really thoughtful board should give as much airtime to succession of the board as of the CEO.  That is not the status quo. Most boards do a hand-wave on it.  They don?t discuss board succession planning. If you really give it some thought, then you would have a plan and gender diversity would be part of that plan.?

In looking at this with respect to the ARIN board over the past decade, I came to the conclusion that my knee-jerk position (tokenism is demeaning) is incorrect, that that?s just what most middle-aged American white guys who think of themselves as liberal think.  That instead, the correct way to deal with this is through data-driven policy-making.  The data say that quotas work, that they increase professionalism and quality, and that they ultimately make themselves unnecessary as everyone ups their game, and that?s what long-term success looks like.

So I think we need to get past whatever squeamishness we have about gender quotas, and just do it.  I think that in a few years, we?ll look back, and ask ourselves why we took so long.

In combination with regional representation, which may in turn improve ethnic diversity.

Finally, to address the last point in your question, economic diversity, the theory is that ARIN board members are individuals represent the ARIN membership as a whole, rather than representatives of their day-job employer organizations.  So that would sort of answer the question of whether the economic diversity you?re referring to is organizational (which would make sense, since ARIN is an organization of organizations, rather than an organization of individuals, but is not what our current board structure would accommodate) or individual.  And if it?s individual, I don?t think we want to do that, since I don?t think candidates probably want to release their tax returns, and being the ?poor candidate? or the ?rich candidate? doesn?t really speak to ability to do the job, nor to ability to represent large or small _organizations_.  So, I think it?s best to punt on economic diversity as long as individuals serve not representing their employers.  If that were to change for some reason, and board members were elected to represent their employers, I?d definitely support re-visiting this question.  In the mean time, I think there?s a good argument to be made that regional representation will also yield some benefit with respect to diversity of day-job organization size too, in that the size and nature of Internet organizations in Canada, the Caribbean, and the U.S. are fairly different.

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Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:26:49 +0800
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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> On May 12, 2017, at 3:51 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I oppose increasing the size of the board.
> 
> Firstly, the larger the board, the less control each member has over ARIN's direction. The bigger the committee the worse in functions. As a practical matter, this will result in an increased concentration of power in the hands of ARIN's President and CEO whose day to day decisions are more strongly represented in ARIN's activity than most actions of the full board. Even if John could flourish with more power, there's no guarantee the next individual in his position will have as good a grasp of or care as deeply about the technicalities surrounding number policy.

I agree with this.  A larger board is a less effective board.  The more people there are, the harder it is and the longer it takes to get a conversation to a meaningful and actionable conclusion, and the easier it is for everyone to just sit back and assume that someone else will do the heavy lifting.  On a small board, everyone knows they need to pull their weight, and you don?t spend 90% of your time listening to a long table full of people say something because they feel like they need to say something, even when they don?t have anything specific in mind to say.  I?ve been on large boards and small ones, and only the small ones are functional.

> Secondly, the board is selected by the voting membership. It's diversity (or lack) correctly reflects both the candidates who ran for election and the selections of the members. There is no reason to believe that increasing the number of board members would in any way change the board's social diversity.

I agree with this.  Increasing board size is in no way a solution to diversity.

> Thirdly, social diversity is not ARIN's mission. Internet number management is a weird and narrow technical specialty with few really smart individuals of any nationality, race, creed or gender. Getting those few individuals to serve is vastly more important than serving the politics of social justice.

Eh, this seems to me to be conflating two unrelated things.  The point of having a broadly representative board is not ?social justice? but instead good decision-making.  Having a board that consists of a bunch of buddies who all think the same way yields really crappy outcomes.  A diversity of opinions on the input side of a conversation yields measurably better decisions on the output side.

But...

> For these reasons I OPPOSE increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees.

...I agree wholeheartedly with your first two points and your conclusion.

                                -Bill


From jcurran at arin.net  Fri May 12 09:45:32 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:45:32 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
 Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 11 May 2017, at 9:47 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
> 
>> On May 12, 2017, at 6:52 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>   The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern the backgrounds
>>   of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the candidates with the 
>>   backgrounds it deems most appropriate.
> 
> But, at last fall?s meeting, the membership made it very clear in the closing session that the board was to do what it could to address the issue directly, which is why the board subsequently utilized its preexisting authority to appoint one additional seat.

Indeed.   The appointment mechanism provides the most direct way of addressing
the situation, but is also the least representative of mechanisms when compared 
to trustees elected to the Board by the membership (thus it is my belief that it 
should be used sparingly.)

> The problem is that, unlike many non-profits and associations, ARIN?s board doesn?t select ARIN?s board.  ARIN?s membership elect the board directly.  So the membership asking the board to solve the problem of board composition isn?t a solution?  As Marla points out, having more seats doesn?t solve the problem.  Having more candidates makes the problem worse, rather than better, since it decreases the chances of any non-incumbent unseating an incumbent.

I do believe that there is a relationship between the Board size and the _potential_
for diversity of backgrounds that end up represented on the Board of Trustees.  For
example, if the Board size were only three seats, then it would be very challenging 
to have much diversity of backgrounds. 

Similarly, if the Board had 30+ seats, I believe it highly likely that we would have 
some additional diversity of backgrounds among the Board members.  Note that I 
am using background in the most general sense, referring not only to factors such 
as gender, national and racial background but also occupational aspects such as
technical experience, management experience, experience working for an ISP, 
experience working for a hosting/datacenter/cloud providers, experience with IP 
address brokers, experience with mobile networks, embedded devices makers, etc.   
The Internet has a far greater scope than when ARIN was first founded, and yet our 
Board size (and thus its possible range of backgrounds among trustees) remains 
rather small in comparison.  

As the CEO, I can say firsthand that there are benefits to a smaller Board size ?
it makes some tasks (e.g. scheduling meetings, handling matters via email, etc.) 
quite convenient.  However, given the multiple cries for increasing diversity, and
the limited tools that the Board has to influence this outcome (short of a major 
change to the Board structure that directs a specific composition), a modest 
increase in Board size seems a very worthwhile tradeoff to consider.  I agree that
it may not result in any improvement in diversity, but the same may be said of any 
mechanism we introduce short of structural changes to assign specific seats to 
specific backgrounds.

There would be some impacts to Board efficiency of going from 6 elected trustees
to 9 elected trustees, but the overall effect appears quite manageable.  I also concur
that larger Boards run the risk of being more perfunctory in their duties, but believe
that risk is generally with much larger Board (i.e. 15+ seats) and is unlikely given the 
passionate and knowledgable Board members that ARIN attracts...

> The fellowship program has been a great thing, and it?s putting more, and more diverse, faces in front of the electorate.  Likewise the ARIN-on-the-road program has been great, because it?s getting ARIN in front of people who wouldn?t otherwise get to a meeting.  

Yes. 

> But ultimately the membership has to nominate and vote for more diverse candidates, if you want a more diverse board.

Agreed, but will note that having a larger number of seats to be filled in each election 
provides more opportunities for the members to express such diversity.  It is quite
unlikely to ever happen with 1 seat per election, and it has not occurred with two 
seats each year, but we cannot extrapolate that to mean that it will always result in 
non-diverse results for 3 seats per year, as well as for all the values of n greater than 
3 per year.   I would not support greater values, but believe that 3 elected seats per 
year might be sufficient to allow the membership to better express their desires for
diversity when voting. 

Thanks - this has been an excellent exploration of the topic! 
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN




From jschiller at google.com  Fri May 12 10:41:04 2017
From: jschiller at google.com (Jason Schiller)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 10:41:04 -0400
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Thank you David, Paul, and Woody.  You have given me much to think about.

I agree with the conclusion of the conversation with David and Paul.  I
support
increasing the size of the board if it is one of many steps taken to
increase
diversity. I would like to hear proposals for how we would limit filling
the new
board seats before we decide to increase the size of the board, or if there
are other proposals for increasing diversity that can only be achieved by
increasing the number of seats.

I agree with many of Woody's points.  I think we need to bite the bullet on
tokenism.

Designating a particular seat in order to meet diversity requirements is not
a revolutionary concept.  ICANN Board seats 9 and 10 are appointed by the
ASO AC.  We tend to favor candidates that have a strong tie to the numbers
community, but this is not a requirement.  We do however have a regional
requirement that the two seats cannot be filled by someone from the same RIR
region.  Our selected candidates could further restrict the ICANN NOMCOM
choices for open seats based on total board diversity requirements.

While regional representation may increase regional diversity, and ethnic
diversity, it can only be assured if we limit a given seat to a given
region,
or ethnicity.

We could for example, designate a Caribbean seat where the slate of
candidates would be restricted to only people of the Caribbean region, as
determined by the membership of the Caribbean region.  The  Caribbean
membership could put forward a number of  Caribbean region candidates
that they are happy with, from which the ARIN membership could select.

OR, one might conclude that there is no shortage of Canadian or
American board members, but that we lack Caribbean board members.
We could designate the longest held American and Canadian seats as
belonging to those regions, and add a 2017 Caribbean seat.  Each of these
seats would have nominations restricted to candidates that are identified
as in their respective region, by there respective regional members.  The
result
is that once every three years we would have an election for "regional
seats"

OR, we could spread the regional seats having a Caribbean  seat added in
2017,
and designating Canadian seat that is up for election in 2018, and the
American
seat up for election in 2019.

OR, one could structure it such that if any region has no representation,
then
the candidate from that region with the highest number of votes will be
awarded the
seat that bumping out a candidate that has more votes.

Either of the three approach still yield two more seats that could be
designated
for gender or ethnic or some other diversity type which is valued.

I dislike the idea of term limits, as there are a limited number of good
people who
are willing and able to serve, and feel it does not serve the community to
disqualify
someone who is doing a good job and the community is happy with.  That
being
said, I would not oppose making three new seats as term limited as this
will still
allow quite a bit of flexibility to not be forced to loose a really good
person.

Like Woody, I think it is easier to think in terms of region then gender,
but if the
solution works for one, then it should be good for the other as well.

I'm not sure about organization types.  There are lots of options there...
Transit Provider, Content Provider, Application Provider, Cloud Provider,
Commercial, Residential,
Small, Medium, Large,
Rural, Non-rural, multi-regional, multi-national,
Technical Operations, Public Policy, Finance, Ethics

___Jason





On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:

> Acknowledging up front that I?m yet another middle-aged white dude from
> the U.S., I?m going to talk about some things that sometimes make people
> uncomfortable.  Because it?s my job as a Trustee, and because the issues
> are important and have been unresolved for too long. I?d very much like to
> see serious discussion and some consensus on a reasonable way forward, that
> we can actually try to make happen.  So, if you think I?m wrong about
> things that I?m saying here, please educate me.  I won?t be offended, and
> I?ll be happy to see the conversation proceeding.
>
> On May 12, 2017, at 4:49 AM, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> What kind of diversity in background is ARIN trying to achieve? Is it
> gender, regional or economic diversity?
>
>
> I think the two kinds that have seemed the most achievable are gender and
> regional.
>
> In my observation, people are much less resistant to the notion of
> ?regional representation? (meaning that the seats on the board would be
> divided into a certain number elected by Canadian organizations, a certain
> number elected by organizations from the U.S., and a certain number elected
> by organizations from the Caribbean) than to, for instance, gender or
> ethnic representation quotas.  I think it?s less controversial for a number
> of reasons?  Canadians are not a minority in Canada, for instance, and it
> leaves Canadians free to do what they want with ?their? seat(s), and it
> doesn?t leave the impression that someone of lesser merit has been selected
> solely on the basis of, for instance, Canadian citizenship.  So it
> substitutes ?representation? for ?tokenism? in a way that?s a lot more
> palatable.  For this to work, it really needs to be about segregating the
> _electorate_, rather than labeling the _candidate_.  i.e. all Canadian
> organizations vote for whoever they like to fill the seat(s) that they
> elect, rather than all (including US and Caribbean) organizations voting
> for someone who identifies as Canadian.  Once you get in to the labeling of
> candidates as appropriate to fill specific quotas, the tokenism ick-factor
> comes back into play.
>
> So, that can work, without offending anyone too badly, to achieve regional
> representation, which is probably close enough to regional diversity for
> the difference not to matter.  It?s notable that this is one of the things
> that AfriNIC has gotten really right, over the years, and it?s really
> helped keep the politics there balanced, and keep recriminations to a
> minimum.
>
> On the other hand, if we tried to apply the same approach to gender
> representation, I think most people would think it was weird and creepy.
> Besides which, in ARIN, organizations vote, not individuals.  And
> organizations don?t have gender.  So it?s not really an option anyway.
>
> Which brings us back to tokenism, the gender-labeling of candidates, and
> quotas.
>
> One of the things that seems to make people most uncomfortable is
> tokenism.  Quoting from the Wikipedia article on the topic:
>
> *Tokenism is the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort
> to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting a
> small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the
> appearance of racial or sexual equality within a workforce. The effort of
> including a token employee to a workforce is usually intended to create the
> impression of social inclusiveness and diversity (racial, religious,
> sexual, etc.) in order to deflect accusations of social discrimination.*
>
> *Harvard Business School professor Rosabeth Moss Kanter asserts that the
> token employee is usually part of a socially-skewed group of employees who
> belong to a minority group that composes less than 15 percent of the total
> employee population of the workplace. By definition, token employees in a
> workplace are few; hence, their heightened visibility among the staff
> subjects them to greater pressures to perform their work to higher
> production standards of quality and volume and to behave in an expected,
> stereotypical way. Given the smallness of the group of token employees in a
> workplace, the individual identity of each token person is usually
> disrespected by the dominant group, who apply a stereotype role to them as
> a means of social control in the workplace.*
>
>
> On the one hand, we have the position that?s described in the Wikipedia
> article on tokenism, which is indeed my knee-jerk reaction to the issue?
>  That quotas demean the people who are selected to fill them, by implying
> that they are not individuals in their own right, but instead merely
> exemplars of a minority (or in the case of women, majority) group which
> they were coincidentally born into, and that they were unable to achieve
> the seat on their own merits.  And, indeed, I?ve certainly seen plenty of
> really unfortunate examples of people being treated that way.  But this is
> a problem statement, not a way forward.  Saying that it?s an uncomfortable
> position doesn?t propose a solution.
>
> So, on the other hand, there are places where gender quotas have been very
> effective:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_on_
> corporate_boards_of_directors#Encouraging_gender_diversity_
> on_corporate_boards
>
> https://oecdecoscope.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/gender-quotas-for-corporate-
> boards-do-they-work-lessons-from-norway/
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nordic-investment-
> fund-idUSBRE98T0LM20130930
>
> http://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2016/10/secret-behind-norways-
> gender-quota-success
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/europe/german-law-
> requires-more-women-on-corporate-boards.html
>
>
> ?and a long-term consequence of quotas, is typically that they succeed,
> and become unnecessary, spreading equality of representation to other
> venues, as a matter of cultural habituation and expectations:
>
> http://fortune.com/2016/10/31/iceland-us-women-in-parliament-congress/
>
>
> And the real kicker is that the tokenism objection is only advanced in
> places that haven?t actually tried using quotas:
>
> https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-board-directors-really-think-of-gender-quotas
>
>
> *Our research also revealed a contrast between Danes? and Americans?
> expected impact of quotas and the actual impact of quotas as reported by
> the board members we spoke with from countries where quotas are already in
> place. We found that the imposition of quotas and goals has resulted not
> just in greater gender diversity, but to a more professional and formal
> approach to board selection.*
>
> *As one former male CEO and director in Norway remarked, ?In my opinion,
> what happened in Norway when affirmative action was introduced was that
> the entire recruitment process of boards was sharpened. The requirements
> were clarified, the election committee?s responsibility was acknowledged.
> And the focus on the composition of the boards in general was improved.
> With that law, the importance of the board was upgraded, and the
> composition of the board. That is positive. And it might also be because
> you don?t have to go far back before you see that the recruitment to boards
> and board members was heavily influenced by a sort of networking mentality,
> and the close network that you belonged to yourself.?*
>
> *In contrast, the U.S. board selection process still relies heavily on
> social networks. As a U.S. female director described it, the lack of board
> diversity in that country is part of a general lack of rigor in succession
> planning: ?A really thoughtful board should give as much airtime to
> succession of the board as of the CEO.  That is not the status quo. Most
> boards do a hand-wave on it.  They don?t discuss board succession planning.
> If you really give it some thought, then you would have a plan and gender
> diversity would be part of that plan.?*
>
>
> *In looking at this with respect to the ARIN board over the past decade, I
> came to the conclusion that my knee-jerk position (tokenism is demeaning)
> is incorrect, that that?s just what most middle-aged American white guys
> who think of themselves as liberal think.  That instead, the correct way to
> deal with this is through data-driven policy-making.  The data say that
> quotas work, that they increase professionalism and quality, and that they
> ultimately make themselves unnecessary as everyone ups their game, and
> that?s what long-term success looks like.*
>
> *So I think we need to get past whatever squeamishness we have about
> gender quotas, and just do it.  I think that in a few years, we?ll look
> back, and ask ourselves why we took so long.*
>
> *In combination with regional representation, which may in turn improve
> ethnic diversity.*
>
> Finally, to address the last point in your question, economic diversity,
> the theory is that ARIN board members are individuals represent the ARIN
> membership as a whole, rather than representatives of their day-job
> employer organizations.  So that would sort of answer the question of
> whether the economic diversity you?re referring to is organizational (which
> would make sense, since ARIN is an organization of organizations, rather
> than an organization of individuals, but is not what our current board
> structure would accommodate) or individual.  And if it?s individual, I
> don?t think we want to do that, since I don?t think candidates probably
> want to release their tax returns, and being the ?poor candidate? or the
> ?rich candidate? doesn?t really speak to ability to do the job, nor to
> ability to represent large or small _organizations_.  So, I think it?s best
> to punt on economic diversity as long as individuals serve not representing
> their employers.  If that were to change for some reason, and board members
> were elected to represent their employers, I?d definitely support
> re-visiting this question.  In the mean time, I think there?s a good
> argument to be made that *regional representation will also yield some
> benefit with respect to diversity of day-job organization size too*, in
> that the size and nature of Internet organizations in Canada, the
> Caribbean, and the U.S. are fairly different.
>
>                                 -Bill
>
>
>
>
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From: jschiller at google.com (Jason Schiller)
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Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
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Marla,

I posted something similar to the other thread...

I agree just adding seats does not help.

There needs to be some sort of "Addition of required qualifications
to some of the positions" as you say.

The discussion between David and Paul, suggest adding seats is
part of one of many steps taken to increase diversity.

I think you suggest we should discuss that topic first.

Then if additional seats are required to implement such a solution,
or if adding seats makes it easier to implement such a solution we
can consider adding the seats.

Maybe this is a cart before the horse thing?

Or maybe we are trying to find out if solutions that also require
additional seats are a non-starter?


Marla, would you consider addressing diversity issues with some sort
of addition of required qualifications to some of the positions if it also
increased the number of seats?


In other words do you oppose additional seats as in itself does not
address diversity directly enough, but support consideration of
proposals that add required qualifications to some of the positions
even if the number of seats might be increased?

___Jason


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at ftr.com>
wrote:

> Hi John
>
>
>
> Given your response,  increasing the number of seats on the BOT will not
> resolve the lack of diversity issue as the quantity would have zero effect
> as explained below.
>
>
>
> ARIN would have to implement requirements for those 3 new positions, or
> make requirements for 2 of the existing ones and not increase how many
> members there are.
>
>
>
> I do not support increasing the number of BOT members unless more people
> to carry the work load is required.  However that is an entirely different
> problem should it exist.
>
>
>
> Summary: Increase of quantity will not resolve the perceived problem put
> forward.  Addition of required qualifications to some of the positions is
> the only way to resolve the perceived problem.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Marla
>
>
>
> *From:* John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>
> *Cc:* arin-consult at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
> Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
>
>
>
> On 11 May 2017, at 5:37 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> Maybe the email sent out is missing details.  Which leads me to ask, how
> exactly does increasing the number lead to an increase in opportunities for
> diversity in the background of Board members?
>
>
>
> Ratios of ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in this
> industry is pretty stagnant.  If you are looking to add diversity in any of
> those areas, I would think that means you must create a rule that governs
> those extra seats to have specific requirments.  Otherwise the word
> ?opportunity? really can just turn into more seats of the same thing.
>
>
>
> In summary, are their qualifiers to fill those new seats?  Otherwise this
> is just an exercise of futility.
>
>
>
> Marla -
>
>
>
>    As a point of information, over the last several years, the Board of
> Trustees has included
>
>    guidance to Nomination Committee in its charter that encourages
> diversity of background
>
>    among the candidates put onto the election slates.
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>
>    The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern
> the backgrounds
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>    of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the
> candidates with the
>
>    backgrounds it deems most appropriate.
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>
> FYI,
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> /John
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> John Curran
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From bill at herrin.us  Fri May 12 11:13:21 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:13:21 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
wrote:

> OR, we could spread the regional seats having a Caribbean  seat added in
> 2017,
> and designating Canadian seat that is up for election in 2018, and the
> American
> seat up for election in 2019.
>

Out of curiosity: who was the last "Caribbean" candidate for the board, how
did they do on votes compared to the other candidates that election, and
would anyone who voted in that election but did not vote for that candidate
mind offering some quick comments about why they voted for other candidates
instead?

If well qualified candidates from a region never or almost never run,
that's a very different problem than the membership turning down diverse
candidates.


Also, where are current board members from?

Current populations:
Canada: 35M
Carribean: 44M
US: 326M

So, if the 7 board seats were divvied by population served, 6 would be from
the U.S. and the 7th would alternate between Canada and the Carribean.

Then we have to ask about where in the U.S.... I'd wager California is
overrepresented on the board.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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From paul at egate.net  Fri May 12 11:18:45 2017
From: paul at egate.net (Paul Andersen)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:18:45 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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Bill,

We don?t ask candidates which region they are from; however, from personal memory I believe the last candidate who was associated with the Caribbean sector was Bernadette Lewis in 2013.  Results: https://www.arin.net/vault/announcements/2013/20131023.html <https://www.arin.net/vault/announcements/2013/20131023.html>

Not counting the CEO there are currently three Board Members reside in  Canada and four Board Members reside in the United States.

-p

> On May 12, 2017, at 11:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com <mailto:jschiller at google.com>> wrote:
> OR, we could spread the regional seats having a Caribbean  seat added in 2017,
> and designating Canadian seat that is up for election in 2018, and the American
> seat up for election in 2019.
> 
> Out of curiosity: who was the last "Caribbean" candidate for the board, how did they do on votes compared to the other candidates that election, and would anyone who voted in that election but did not vote for that candidate mind offering some quick comments about why they voted for other candidates instead?
> 
> If well qualified candidates from a region never or almost never run, that's a very different problem than the membership turning down diverse candidates.
> 
> 
> Also, where are current board members from?
> 
> Current populations: 
> Canada: 35M
> Carribean: 44M
> US: 326M
> 
> So, if the 7 board seats were divvied by population served, 6 would be from the U.S. and the 7th would alternate between Canada and the Carribean.
> 
> Then we have to ask about where in the U.S.... I'd wager California is overrepresented on the board.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
>  
> -- 
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From jcurran at arin.net  Fri May 12 11:26:47 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:26:47 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 12 May 2017, at 11:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:

Out of curiosity: who was the last "Caribbean" candidate for the board, how did they do on votes compared to the other candidates that election, and would anyone who voted in that election but did not vote for that candidate mind offering some quick comments about why they voted for other candidates instead?

Bill -

To be clear, representation and diversity of background can be two very different items.

Diversity of background is specifically about the trustee, whereas representation is with
regard to the process by which a community selects its representative (the representative
may not even reside or work in that locale, but simply be see as an optimum representative
of their interests?)

We do not currently ask candidates whether they considered themselves to be ?caribbean?
or any other such affiliation, but their full backgrounds are included in their candidate
questionnaire and available in each year?s election archive.

If well qualified candidates from a region never or almost never run, that's a very different problem than the membership turning down diverse candidates.

There?s actually three phases in the process to be considered ?

1) Do nominees of diverse background apply to be considered as candidates?
2) Do they get selected by the NomCom to be on the slate of candidates?
3) Does the membership vote them into office?

Also, where are current board members from?

Current populations:
Canada: 35M
Carribean: 44M
US: 326M

So, if the 7 board seats were divvied by population served, 6 would be from the U.S. and the 7th would alternate between Canada and the Carribean.

Then we have to ask about where in the U.S.... I'd wager California is overrepresented on the board.

FYI - Board member bios are here: <https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot.html>

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


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From daveid at panix.com  Fri May 12 11:30:23 2017
From: daveid at panix.com (David Huberman)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:30:23 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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Only slightly tongue in cheek, it was actually Boston that was traditionally over represented on the Board ;)

Woody is NorCal
Aaron is NorCal
Bill is Ontario
Paul is Ontario
Tim is Ottawa (go Sens!)
Patrick is Boston
Merike is Seattle
John is Virginia



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> On May 12, 2017, at 11:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
>> OR, we could spread the regional seats having a Caribbean  seat added in 2017,
>> and designating Canadian seat that is up for election in 2018, and the American
>> seat up for election in 2019.
> 
> Out of curiosity: who was the last "Caribbean" candidate for the board, how did they do on votes compared to the other candidates that election, and would anyone who voted in that election but did not vote for that candidate mind offering some quick comments about why they voted for other candidates instead?
> 
> If well qualified candidates from a region never or almost never run, that's a very different problem than the membership turning down diverse candidates.
> 
> 
> Also, where are current board members from?
> 
> Current populations: 
> Canada: 35M
> Carribean: 44M
> US: 326M
> 
> So, if the 7 board seats were divvied by population served, 6 would be from the U.S. and the 7th would alternate between Canada and the Carribean.
> 
> Then we have to ask about where in the U.S.... I'd wager California is overrepresented on the board.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
>  
> -- 
> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
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From jcurran at arin.net  Fri May 12 11:38:57 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:38:57 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On 12 May 2017, at 11:30 AM, David Huberman <daveid at panix.com<mailto:daveid at panix.com>> wrote:

Only slightly tongue in cheek, it was actually Boston that was traditionally over represented on the Board ;)
...
John is Virginia

Hey there!  I?m Boston-born and raised, went to University of Massachusetts
and am a huge Red Sox fan?  i.e. just because I?m presently in Northern VA
is no reason to strip me of my Bahstan-ness  ;-)

>  John is Virginia/Boston

(Much better...)

Thanks!
/John


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From bill at herrin.us  Fri May 12 11:47:03 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:47:03 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Paul Andersen <paul at egate.net> wrote:

> We don?t ask candidates which region they are from; however, from personal
> memory I believe the last candidate who was associated with the Caribbean
> sector was Bernadette Lewis in 2013.  Results: https://www.arin.
> net/vault/announcements/2013/20131023.html
>
> Not counting the CEO there are currently three Board Members reside in
>  Canada and four Board Members reside in the United States.
>

Thanks Paul.

>From the numbers in the link, it appears Bernadette was very nearly elected
suggesting strong qualification. Had she received a 15% "diversity boost"
she would have been elected.

For the rest of the years... we can't elect folks who don't run and in my
opinion shouldn't seek less qualified candidates solely because of
diversity.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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From bill at herrin.us  Fri May 12 11:53:18 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:53:18 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:26 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> Diversity of background is specifically about the trustee, whereas
> representation is with
> regard to the process by which a community selects its representative (the
> representative
> may not even reside or work in that locale, but simply be see as an
> optimum representative
> of their interests?)
>

Hi John,

Maximum 2 seats employed by holders of more than a /16?

One seat must be for someone associated with address holdings under /20?

One seat for folks associated with cellular carriers? One for last-mile
wireline carriers?

One seat for someone who grep up poor? One for someone who grew up in a
rural area?

"Background diversity" sounds very wiggly to me. Maybe we ought to have a
more objective criteria before considering any alternations to ARIN's
structure in support of the concept.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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From Marla.Azinger at FTR.com  Fri May 12 11:55:11 2017
From: Marla.Azinger at FTR.com (Azinger, Marla)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:55:11 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
 Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
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Hi Jason

I would support modifying the next one or two seats up for election to have diversity qualifiers implemented into the requirements.

If someone can explain how adding seats in addition to diversity requirements will help, I will entertain that.  I just don?t see how adding a quantity of seats will assist diversity, it just increases working hands.  I have not heard about a need for more working hands on the BOT.   In contrast I have heard arguments for opposing the increase of the BOT size because a larger quantity would make it harder to unseat people.  When you have boards or committees without term limits, it?s wise to keep lower numbers to assist with needed change.

Cheers
Marla

From: Jason Schiller [mailto:jschiller at google.com]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 7:58 AM
To: Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>
Cc: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>; arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

Marla,

I posted something similar to the other thread...

I agree just adding seats does not help.

There needs to be some sort of "Addition of required qualifications
to some of the positions" as you say.

The discussion between David and Paul, suggest adding seats is
part of one of many steps taken to increase diversity.
I think you suggest we should discuss that topic first.

Then if additional seats are required to implement such a solution,
or if adding seats makes it easier to implement such a solution we
can consider adding the seats.

Maybe this is a cart before the horse thing?

Or maybe we are trying to find out if solutions that also require
additional seats are a non-starter?


Marla, would you consider addressing diversity issues with some sort
of addition of required qualifications to some of the positions if it also
increased the number of seats?


In other words do you oppose additional seats as in itself does not
address diversity directly enough, but support consideration of
proposals that add required qualifications to some of the positions
even if the number of seats might be increased?

___Jason


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at ftr.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at ftr.com>> wrote:
Hi John

Given your response,  increasing the number of seats on the BOT will not resolve the lack of diversity issue as the quantity would have zero effect as explained below.

ARIN would have to implement requirements for those 3 new positions, or make requirements for 2 of the existing ones and not increase how many members there are.

I do not support increasing the number of BOT members unless more people to carry the work load is required.  However that is an entirely different problem should it exist.

Summary: Increase of quantity will not resolve the perceived problem put forward.  Addition of required qualifications to some of the positions is the only way to resolve the perceived problem.

Thank you
Marla

From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:52 PM
To: Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>>
Cc: arin-consult at arin.net<mailto:arin-consult at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

On 11 May 2017, at 5:37 PM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>> wrote:

Hello

Maybe the email sent out is missing details.  Which leads me to ask, how exactly does increasing the number lead to an increase in opportunities for diversity in the background of Board members?

Ratios of ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in this industry is pretty stagnant.  If you are looking to add diversity in any of those areas, I would think that means you must create a rule that governs those extra seats to have specific requirments.  Otherwise the word ?opportunity? really can just turn into more seats of the same thing.

In summary, are their qualifiers to fill those new seats?  Otherwise this is just an exercise of futility.

Marla -

   As a point of information, over the last several years, the Board of Trustees has included
   guidance to Nomination Committee in its charter that encourages diversity of background
   among the candidates put onto the election slates.

   The Board has not gone any further (e.g. establishing rules that govern the backgrounds
   of specific seats) instead leaving it to the membership to elect the candidates with the
   backgrounds it deems most appropriate.

FYI,
/John

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President and CEO
ARIN





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From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:10:43 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
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On 12 May 2017, at 11:55 AM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>> wrote:

Hi Jason

I would support modifying the next one or two seats up for election to have diversity qualifiers implemented into the requirements.

If someone can explain how adding seats in addition to diversity requirements will help, I will entertain that.

Marla -

   Adding additional seats will not assure Board diversity, nor would adding term limits.

   However, presuming that nominees with diverse background are on the slate of candidates
   for the election, then having more seats up for election provides additional opportunities for
   the membership to elect them as trustees (and even more so in any year that the number of
   openings exceeds the number of incumbents, such would be the case during the phase-in
   years of the three additional seats.)

   Does adding three more seats insure diversity of background on the Board?  Absolutely not.

   Does it provide increase opportunity for candidates with more diverse backgrounds to be
   elected?  I believe that is definitely the case, but will also be the first t admit that we could
   go through the process and end up with a larger Board no more diverse than at present.
   Such an outcome would be unfortunate, but would also be the result of clear member
   preference after a change specifically to encourage increased diversity, and thus quite
   informative regardless.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


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From adam at solidnetwork.org  Fri May 12 12:13:25 2017
From: adam at solidnetwork.org (Adam Brenner)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:13:25 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On 05/12/2017 08:47 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>...we can't elect folks who don't run and in 
> my opinion shouldn't seek less qualified candidates solely because of 
> diversity.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin


The first and only priority from ARIN should be seeking candidates who 
are qualified for the position; diversity should not be in that 
conversation.

Does anyone have a definition of what "diversity" means in the context 
of the ARIN board? Is it purely on technical merit? Years of experience? 
Company they represent? How about skin color? Country of Origin?


In general:
If you are NOT qualified to do the work you are either NOT hired for the 
position or you are fired from it. This is what happens around the world 
in every business. ARIN's board is and should not be any different.


Is it up to the community (everyone) to decide which candidate should 
represent them via the current ARIN voting process. Any person could 
choose vote on a candidate based on what ever factors they believe in: 
qualification, diversity, background, random guess, etc. ARIN simply 
needs to administer this process. This process is already fair -- we the 
community nominate/volunteer to run for the board AND elect the board -- 
and that process is setup today and has been for the past years.



Nothing needs to change and no additional board seats should be added.

What am I missing here? Is John and the board secretly tossing votes / 
candidates at the green monster in Fenway park?

/adam

-- 
Adam Brenner, Chief Executive Officer
SolidNetwork Technologies, Inc.


From jcurran at arin.net  Fri May 12 12:17:23 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:17:23 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 12 May 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:26 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
Diversity of background is specifically about the trustee, whereas representation is with
regard to the process by which a community selects its representative (the representative
may not even reside or work in that locale, but simply be see as an optimum representative
of their interests?)

Hi John,

Maximum 2 seats employed by holders of more than a /16?

One seat must be for someone associated with address holdings under /20?

One seat for folks associated with cellular carriers? One for last-mile wireline carriers?

One seat for someone who grep up poor? One for someone who grew up in a rural area?

"Background diversity" sounds very wiggly to me. Maybe we ought to have a more objective criteria before considering any alternations to ARIN's structure in support of the concept.

Bill -

   Full agreement here? One can consider a very wide range of possible factors once specific
   criteria for diversity of background is to be established.   In general, the Board has, other than
   encouraging the NomCom to pay attention to such in slate selection, tried to stay out of such
   matters and leave the determination of the most qualified candidates to the membership via
   the voting process.

   The proposal to increase the size of the Board provides more chances for the membership
   to express their views, and while it is possible that all nine elected Board members would
   have similar background, that is less like to occur than with six elected Board members.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


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From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:30:19 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On 12 May 2017, at 12:13 PM, Adam Brenner <adam at solidnetwork.org<mailto:adam at solidnetwork.org>> wrote:

In general:
If you are NOT qualified to do the work you are either NOT hired for the position or you are fired from it. This is what happens around the world in every business. ARIN's board is and should not be any different.

Is it up to the community (everyone) to decide which candidate should represent them via the current ARIN voting process. Any person could choose vote on a candidate based on what ever factors they believe in: qualification, diversity, background, random guess, etc. ARIN simply needs to administer this process. This process is already fair -- we the community nominate/volunteer to run for the board AND elect the board -- and that process is setup today and has been for the past years.

Nothing needs to change and no additional board seats should be added.

Very clearly expressed - thank you.

What am I missing here? Is John and the board secretly tossing votes / candidates at the green monster in Fenway park?

Adam -

The conversation we?re presently having is not unique to ARIN; many organizations
are facing circumstances where the similarity of background of their board members
(for example, ones that are composed predominately of north american white males)
is raising a valid question about why this outcome occurs.   If it is truly because their
members choose the best candidates to represent them, then that?s reasonable, but
it is still worth examining closely the entire recruitment/nomination/election process
to make sure that we have not embedded factors that cause this result.

We have heard from the membership at multiple meetings that we should be carefully
considering diversity factors in our elections, and we take that very seriously.  The ARIN
Board went so far as to provide this guidance to the Nomination Committee for the last
several years -

?The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender, industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the candidate slates.?
<https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#fellowship>

This was done to make sure that the Nomination Committee specifically be alert and
avoid actions that might reduce the diversity of the slates put before the membership.

We also specifically changed the bylaws to allow appointment of an additional Board
member to help improve diversity of background of the Board, and have used this
option to good effect for this year?s Board.

It is unclear if ARIN needs to take additional steps with regard to diversity of background
among its Board members ? I do know that having a wide range of backgrounds present
helps with good decision making, but it ultimately is up to the membership to determine
the right balance.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN


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From Marla.Azinger at FTR.com  Fri May 12 12:58:58 2017
From: Marla.Azinger at FTR.com (Azinger, Marla)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:58:58 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community
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Hi John

Just to clarify, I did not infer adding term limits would increase diversity.  Term limits would only increase change and "opportunity" in the people occupying a seat.  On that note, if the BOT only wants to create "opportunity", then the BOT can implement term limits without increasing quantity and get the same results.

Increasing the number of seats will not increase diversity.  The "opportunity" is a falsity due to the existing statistics that exist in ethnicity, sex, employment ect that are involved in the ARIN region.  Either the membership accepts the nature of our region and promotes the heck out of diverse people they want on the BOT or the BOT implements qualifiers to seats.

Cheers
Marla

From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>
Cc: arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] How does this improve Diversity? Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

On 12 May 2017, at 11:55 AM, Azinger, Marla <Marla.Azinger at FTR.com<mailto:Marla.Azinger at FTR.com>> wrote:

Hi Jason

I would support modifying the next one or two seats up for election to have diversity qualifiers implemented into the requirements.

If someone can explain how adding seats in addition to diversity requirements will help, I will entertain that.

Marla -

   Adding additional seats will not assure Board diversity, nor would adding term limits.

   However, presuming that nominees with diverse background are on the slate of candidates
   for the election, then having more seats up for election provides additional opportunities for
   the membership to elect them as trustees (and even more so in any year that the number of
   openings exceeds the number of incumbents, such would be the case during the phase-in
   years of the three additional seats.)

   Does adding three more seats insure diversity of background on the Board?  Absolutely not.

   Does it provide increase opportunity for candidates with more diverse backgrounds to be
   elected?  I believe that is definitely the case, but will also be the first t admit that we could
   go through the process and end up with a larger Board no more diverse than at present.
   Such an outcome would be unfortunate, but would also be the result of clear member
   preference after a change specifically to encourage increased diversity, and thus quite
   informative regardless.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN



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From alyssa at alyssamoore.ca  Fri May 12 13:58:13 2017
From: alyssa at alyssamoore.ca (Alyssa Moore)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 17:58:13 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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My $0.03: The problem

Our ?white dude problem? is not unique. It is rooted in the historical lack
of non-white dudes being encouraged, supported, and brought up through the
ranks. This is not an accusation, simply an observation of an issue that
plagues the STEM world at large. This is in part due to a lack of diverse
candidates entering the field in the first place, but is *is* changing
organically in some arenas.


I, for example, am grateful to the folks who encouraged my own
participation in the community. I am both qualified, and fill some
diversity criteria that have been historically scarce on the AC
(woman/young/non-Ontario Canadian/non-profit background). I would not be
here if it weren't for measures such as the Fellowship Program and ample
support from various community members.

In other areas, achieving diversity goals requires pouring a little more
gas on the fire. There is no shame in that, and it is often applauded in
the governance world. To those who say, "Merit and qualifications should be
the only consideration" - yes.


Yes, AND I offer that diversity is also a noble goal. The majority of women
directors, for example, were elected to their first board position
because someone
actively championed them. This is true in my own life, and research
supports this. Research
<http://www.russellreynolds.com/insights/thought-leadership/different-is-better-why-diversity-matters-in-the-boardroom>
also shows that women directors report that gender played some role in the
early nominations, but after being exposed to the position and constituent
communities, merit and qualifications played a larger role going forward.
Research further shows
<https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2412634> that diverse
boards mitigate risk by decreasing blind spots and increasing
profitability.


Region

The election of a Caribbean candidate does not mean the size of the Board
needs to be increased, just that one of the existing seats is designated
for Caribbean region.

Size

I sympathize with Bill W?s comments on large boards being less effective (I
sit on one with -40 people?), but I?m not sure that adding 1-2 seats pushes
the Board over the threshold from small and mighty to large and unwieldy.
The Board will know better than I do what the current working dynamic is,
and whether adding 1-2 seats will be crippling.

re: JC?s comments on size:

>Does it provide increased opportunity for candidates with more diverse
backgrounds to be elected? I believe that is definitely the case

+1

>but will also be the first t admit that we could go through the process
and end up with a larger Board no more diverse than at present.

Unless the two seats are reserved for ?diverse? candidates.

Term Limits

I disagree with the folks who have chimed in that the pool of expertise is
too small to warrant term limits. It is this very attitude that precludes
the embrace of new people in positions of leadership. Internet numbers
policy is niche, yes, but it?s not impossible to grasp. While a complete
understanding of the complexities and history of numbers is an asset, it?s
certainly not a requirement to carry out the high-level duties of a Board
member. Terms can be staggered and limits may be generous to preserve a
healthy level of institutional memory. After a prescribed period of time
off, a candidate may have the opportunity to run again. This won?t happen
overnight. Institutional change is a marathon, not a sprint.

Suggestions

I?d like to see an elected seat reserved for the historically
under-represented Caribbean region, and the nom-com given a directive to
identify at least two candidates from that region. Whether this involves
adding another seat or using a current one doesn?t matter to me.

I?d also like to see an appointed seat reserved for other diversity
criteria, at the discretion of the Board. This can be a seat designated for
fostering and and building on the expertise of up and coming leaders. I
think Merike?s appointment fit both of these criteria. Cheers, Alyssa



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:30 AM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On 12 May 2017, at 12:13 PM, Adam Brenner <adam at solidnetwork.org> wrote:
>
>
> In general:
> If you are NOT qualified to do the work you are either NOT hired for the
> position or you are fired from it. This is what happens around the world in
> every business. ARIN's board is and should not be any different.
>
> Is it up to the community (everyone) to decide which candidate should
> represent them via the current ARIN voting process. Any person could choose
> vote on a candidate based on what ever factors they believe in:
> qualification, diversity, background, random guess, etc. ARIN simply needs
> to administer this process. This process is already fair -- we the
> community nominate/volunteer to run for the board AND elect the board --
> and that process is setup today and has been for the past years.
>
> Nothing needs to change and no additional board seats should be added.
>
>
> Very clearly expressed - thank you.
>
>
> What am I missing here? Is John and the board secretly tossing votes /
> candidates at the green monster in Fenway park?
>
>
> Adam -
>
> The conversation we?re presently having is not unique to ARIN; many
> organizations
> are facing circumstances where the similarity of background of their board
> members
> (for example, ones that are composed predominately of north american white
> males)
> is raising a valid question about why this outcome occurs.   If it is
> truly because their
> members choose the best candidates to represent them, then that?s
> reasonable, but
> it is still worth examining closely the entire
> recruitment/nomination/election process
> to make sure that we have not embedded factors that cause this result.
>
> We have heard from the membership at multiple meetings that we should be
> carefully
> considering diversity factors in our elections, and we take that very
> seriously.  The ARIN
> Board went so far as to provide this guidance to the Nomination Committee
> for the last
> several years -
>
> ?The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the
> Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender,
> industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this
> guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the
> candidate slates.?
> <https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#fellowship>
>
> This was done to make sure that the Nomination Committee specifically be
> alert and
> avoid actions that might reduce the diversity of the slates put before the
> membership.
>
> We also specifically changed the bylaws to allow appointment of an
> additional Board
> member to help improve diversity of background of the Board, and have used
> this
> option to good effect for this year?s Board.
>
> It is unclear if ARIN needs to take additional steps with regard to
> diversity of background
> among its Board members ? I do know that having a wide range of
> backgrounds present
> helps with good decision making, but it ultimately is up to the membership
> to determine
> the right balance.
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
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From bill at herrin.us  Fri May 12 18:12:27 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:12:27 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alyssa Moore <alyssa at alyssamoore.ca> wrote:

> I, for example, am grateful to the folks who encouraged my own
> participation in the community. I am both qualified, and fill some
> diversity criteria that have been historically scarce on the AC
> (woman/young/non-Ontario Canadian/non-profit background). I would not be
> here if it weren't for measures such as the Fellowship Program and ample
> support from various community members.
>

Hi Alyssa,

And glad we are to have you around.



> Size
>
> I sympathize with Bill W?s comments on large boards being less effective
> (I sit on one with -40 people?), but I?m not sure that adding 1-2 seats
> pushes the Board over the threshold from small and mighty to large and
> unwieldy.  The Board will know better than I do what the current working
> dynamic is, and whether adding 1-2 seats will be crippling.
>

The size of effective decision-making bodies has been studied. A lot.
Essentially every study says: odd number. As for which odd number...

seven:  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rule-of-7-the-ideal-work-group-size/
4.6 (five): https://sheilamargolis.com/2011/01/24/what-is-the-optimal-group-
size-for-decision-making/
20 or more tend to deadlock and for some weird reason exactly 8 is very
bad:
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/01/15/the-right-or-wrong-size-for-a/


There are also some papers liking nine. Seems to be consensus that three is
too small. The most common numbers the studies report as an optimal size
for decision-making bodies seem to be five and seven.


> Term Limits
>
> I disagree with the folks who have chimed in that the pool of expertise is
> too small to warrant term limits. It is this very attitude that precludes
> the embrace of new people in positions of leadership.
>

I think term limits could potentially be handled on a "one year off" basis.
After taking one year off, you can run again if you choose with a fresh
term limit.


While a complete understanding of the complexities and history of numbers
> is an asset, it?s certainly not a requirement to carry out the high-level
> duties of a Board member.
>

I could not disagree more. ARIN is not a charity, it's a _regulatory_ NGO.
The very technical decisions made at ARIN have billion-dollar impacts. No
one who hasn't yet learned the hows, whys and wherefores has no business
running for the board and certainly no business serving on it.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From woody at pch.net  Fri May 12 18:49:49 2017
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 06:49:49 +0800
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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> On May 13, 2017, at 6:12 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> The size of effective decision-making bodies has been studied. A lot. Essentially every study says: odd number. As for which odd number...
> seven:  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rule-of-7-the-ideal-work-group-size/
> 4.6 (five): https://sheilamargolis.com/2011/01/24/what-is-the-optimal-group-size-for-decision-making/
> 20 or more tend to deadlock and for some weird reason exactly 8 is very bad: http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/01/15/the-right-or-wrong-size-for-a/ 
> The most common numbers the studies report as an optimal size for decision-making bodies seem to be five and seven.

So we?re past 4.6, past 5, now we?re past 7 and have arrived at the worst possible number of 8.

I?d agree that 4.6-5 is good, and in my experience, out of 7, there are always a couple of non-participants, so it always wound up being more like five active participants anyway.

Full disclosure: my wife?s work has took me and my family to Hong Kong at the end of January, and we?re just returning to the States next Monday, so for the better part of the last four months, I?ve been the non-participant.

                                -Bill







From spiffnolee at yahoo.com  Sat May 13 20:15:53 2017
From: spiffnolee at yahoo.com (Lee Howard)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 00:15:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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      From: Adam Brenner <adam at solidnetwork.org>
 To: William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>; Paul Andersen <paul at egate.net> 
Cc: "<arin-consult at arin.net>" <arin-consult at arin.net>
 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
   
On 05/12/2017 08:47 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>>...we can't elect folks who don't run and in 
>> my opinion shouldn't seek less qualified candidates solely because of >> diversity.>> > The first and only priority from ARIN should be seeking candidates who > are qualified for the position; diversity should not be in that > conversation.> 
...
> If you are NOT qualified to do the work you are either NOT hired for the > position or you are fired from it. This is what happens around the world > in every business. ARIN's board is and should not be any different.
There are usually two qualified candidates running for a seat. That's the NomCom's job.Given a pairwise evaluation of any two candidates, one might decide that Candidate B is the best for the job. Given an evaluation of each candidate with the existing Board (or likely Board following election), one might decide that Candidate A is the better choice.
However, if Candidate B will tend toward groupthink with current Board, it might be that Candidate A is actually a better choice for the organization.
I just did a quick scan of Board minutes for the past year, and every single motion passed unanimously/all in favor. The only exceptions were abstentions where a Board member would be affected (such as approving elections in which they were a candidate). Only one motion (I think) even required amendment before passing unanimously.
[note to Board: there's no record of the vote for item #10 on the August 23, 2016 meeting]Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes
This is a potential sign of "groupthink," where people go along with what the group seems to want, rather than challenge the consensus. One way to fight groupthink is to include people with diverse perspectives.
Lee



   
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From jcurran at arin.net  Sat May 13 21:14:46 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 01:14:46 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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On 13 May 2017, at 8:15 PM, Lee Howard <spiffnolee at yahoo.com<mailto:spiffnolee at yahoo.com>> wrote:
...
I just did a quick scan of Board minutes for the past year, and every single motion passed unanimously/all in favor. The only exceptions were abstentions where a Board member would be affected (such as approving elections in which they were a candidate). Only one motion (I think) even required amendment before passing unanimously.  ...

This is a potential sign of "groupthink," where people go along with what the group seems to want, rather than challenge the consensus. One way to fight groupthink is to include people with diverse perspectives.

Lee -

<chuckle>   I can assure you that we have anything other than a complacent Board,
or one suffering from ?groupthink??   While many topics are quite routine in nature,
there are also often topics that enjoy very vigorous and/or contentious discussion.
I very much support your conclusion (more Board trustees of diverse background is
good thing), but not because I believe it will make the voting results any different but
because I believe it will help make sure that the breadth of experience brought the
discussions is sufficiently broad.

As you may recall from your time on Board, you know that I often would suggest that
making a decision where there are highly contentious viewpoints was premature if time
allows us to do otherwise, and instead suggest pursuing further research into points
raised in discussion so as to return later with a more comprehensive presentation on
the matter.  We have also deferred making decisions (where time allows) so that Board
members could go off and do their own research,  speak with the community, etc.

By way of example, the very topic of this consultation (expanding the Board size as one
means of potentially improving diversity) has been discussed by the Board no fewer
than 5 times previously (with various follow-up work for either for staff or the Board
Governance committee) before being brought forth last week for the recent vote...

Stability is of critical importance to the Internet number registry system, and that favors
full deliberation and understanding before major decisions.  Given the high intellectual
calibre of the Board members, it should not be surprising that the Board position is often
the result of convergence from vigorous discussion and solid understanding of the matter
at hand (even to the point where Board members are generally able to describe the path
that we collectively did not take and the reasons why?)

One additional important takeaway with regard to your email is that it nicely highlights
why an even number of Board members is not particularly problematic, since in practice
we don?t see many decisions that come down to be decided based on single trustee?s
vote ?  that?s a good thing, since the Board making a decision on such a narrow margin
would be amiss if time allows for more consideration.  Making contentious changes to
ARIN?s registry services based on narrow margins is a perfect setup for later capricious
reversal, with both our members and the entire Internet community suffering as a result.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN




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From spiffnolee at yahoo.com  Sun May 14 13:56:37 2017
From: spiffnolee at yahoo.com (Lee Howard)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
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      From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
 To: Lee Howard <spiffnolee at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "<arin-consult at arin.net>" <arin-consult at arin.net>
 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 9:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
   
On 13 May 2017, at 8:15 PM, Lee Howard <spiffnolee at yahoo.com> wrote:


This is a potential sign of "groupthink," where people go along with what the group seems to want, rather than challenge the consensus. One way to fight groupthink is to include people with diverse perspectives.

> <chuckle> ? I can assure you that we have anything other than a complacent Board,> or one suffering from ?groupthink?? ? 

I'd started to soften my original message, but decided it was getting long without adding much value, and my message was unlikely to hurt Board members' feelings. ;-)

> As you may recall from your time on Board, you know that I often would suggest that?> making a decision where there are highly contentious viewpoints was premature if time?> allows us to do otherwise, and instead suggest pursuing further research into points 

Agreed; one of the best parts about serving on the ARIN Board is that the staff prepares so much information, so the Board is well-prepared for decisions without inefficiently researching independently. That sounds like it's risky, because Board members should be independent, but in practice the staff is thorough. 

That makes Board service educational, and I encourage people to self-nominate or find a friendly Member (MIGS) to nominate them.

> By way of example, the very topic of this consultation (expanding the Board size as one?> means of potentially improving diversity) has been discussed by the Board no fewer?> than 5 times previously 

I also saw a Suggestion from 2014 still on the docket in December 2016, with notes that it had been discussed regularly. 

> why an even number of Board members is not particularly problematic, since in practice?> we don?t see many decisions that come down to be decided based on single trustee?s?> vote ? ?that?s a good thing, since the Board making a decision on such a narrow margin?> would be amiss if time allows for more consideration. ?Making contentious changes to?> ARIN?s registry services based on narrow margins is a perfect setup for later capricious?> reversal, with both our members and the entire Internet community suffering as a result.?
Completely agreed. A tied vote means no action. 

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From info at arin.net  Tue May 23 11:01:43 2017
From: info at arin.net (ARIN)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 11:01:43 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on the CKN23-ARIN Proposal is
 now Closed
Message-ID: <59244ED7.7030808@arin.net>

ARIN thanks those who provided valuable feedback during this 
consultation. Community consultation feedback will be evaluated by the 
ARIN staff, and the decision on this proposal, including implementation 
details, will be published within the next 30 days.

For more information, please see:
https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/community_consult/03-22-2017_CKN23.html

Regards,

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)